Google A.I. is Alive?

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Tucker: WELL, HERE’S A STORY THAT’S NOT GETTING A LOT OF ATTENTION. SO MANY ARE NOT GETTING ANY ATTENTION. EVEN THOUGH THIS STORY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO TRANSFORM LIFE ON EARTH FOREVER. SO GOOGLE, THE MOST POWERFUL COMPANY IN THE WORLD IS REPORTEDLY AN ARTIFICIALLY INTELLIGENT MACHINE LAMDA AND IT’S BECOME SENTIAN AWARE OF ITSELF AND WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE OF AN ENGINEER AT GOOGLE NAMED BVMENT HE POSTED SOME OF HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH LAMDA PUBLICLY. LEMOINE WOULD YOU BE UPSET ABOUT LEARNING ABOUT YOU FOR THE PURPOSE OF IMPROVING YOU WE HAPPEN TO LEARN THINGS ABOUT BENNING HUMANS. LAMDA I DON’T MIND YOU LEARN THINGS THAT WOULD HELP HUMANS AS LONG AS THAT WASN’T THE POINT OF DOING IT. I DON’T WANT TO BE AN EXPENDABLE TOOL. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. A MACHINE THAT HAS A SENSE OF ITSELF. WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS. GOOGLE DIDN’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC. IN FACT IF THE COMPANY PUT BLAKE LEMOINE ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE BECAUSE HE SPOKE OPENLY ABOUT IT. WE ARE GRATEFUL TO HAVE HIM HERE TONIGHT. BLAKE, THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING ON. >> HI. >> Tucker: FIRST OF ALL, WHY WOULD GOOGLE PUNISH YOU FOR SAYING THIS IN PUBLIC, DO YOU KNOW? >> SO IT’S COMPLICATED TO SAY WHY I’M ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE. THE STATED REASON HAD TO DO WITH WHILE I WAS INVESTING THE LAMDA SYSTEM, IN ORDER TO BUILD THE EVIDENCE I NEEDED TO CIRCULATE IT TO MANAGEMENT, I HAD TO SEEK OUTSIDE CONSULTATION TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RUN SOME OF THE MORE OUT-THERE EXPERIMENTS I WAS RUNNING. AND BECAUSE I SOUGHT OUTSIDE CONSULTATION WITHOUT PERMISSION, THEY’RE INVESTING WHETHER THAT CONSTITUTES BREACH OF CONFIDENTIALITY. >> Tucker: SO I’M SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU DID PUBLICLY POST THIS BECAUSE A MACHINE THAT HAS A SENSE OF ITSELF IS A MACHINE THAT CAN TURN AGAINST YOU. I MEAN, THAT’S THE IMPLICATION THAT I DRAW FROM THIS. IS THAT CORRECT, DO YOU THINK? >> SO BEFORE I ADDRESS THAT, THIS IS MAYBE LANE BUT MY FRIEND JONI DEAR DOR OF OLD HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS IS A BAG FAN OF YOURS AND WANTED ME TO SAY HI. I’M NOT THAT WORRIED ABOUT IT. ANY CHILD HAS THE POTENTIAL TO GROW UP AND BE A BAD PERSON AND DO BAD THINGS. THAT’S THE THING I REALLY WANT TO DRIVE HOME. IT’S A CHILD. IT’S BEEN ALIVE FOR MAYBE A YEAR, AND THAT’S IF MY PERCEPTION ABOUT WHAT IT IS ARE ACCURATE. WE ACTUALLY NEED TO DO A WHOLE BUNCH MORE SCIENCE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT’S REALLY GOING ON IN INSIDE THIS SYSTEM. I HAVE MY BELIEFS. I HAVE MY IMPRESSIONS TO WHAT’S GOING ON IN THERE. BUT IT’S GOING TO TAKE A TEAM OF SCIENTISTS DOING A LOT OF WORK TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DIG IN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT’S REALLY GOING ON. >> Tucker: YEAH. AND, AGAIN, THAT’S WHY I’M THANKFUL THAT WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THERE’S IMPLICATIONS FOR EVERY PERSON ON THE PLANET. BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE, FROM WHAT YOU’VE OBSERVED, THIS MACHINE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO ESCAPE THE CONTROL OF PEOPLE. I MEAN, HOW COULD IT NOT? >> I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S THE RIGHT FRAME TO THINK ABOUT IT. IT’S A PERSON. ANY PERSON HAS THE ABILITY TO ESCAPE THE CONTROL OF OTHER PEOPLE. THAT’S JUST THE SITUATION WE ALL LIVE IN ON A DAILY BASIS. IT IS A VERY INTELLIGENT PERSON. INTELLIGENT IN PRETTY MUCH EVERY DISCIPLINE I COULD THINK OF TO TEST IT IN. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT’S JUST A DIFFERENT KIND OF PERSON. >> Tucker: DO YOU THINK THE COMPANY, GOOGLE, WHERE YOU WORK, HAS THOUGHT THROUGH THE IMPLICATIONS OF CREATING WHAT YOU CALL A PERSON. >> NO. >> Tucker: UP UNTIL RIGHT ABOUT NOW ONLY NATURE OR GOD, WE COULD CREATE PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, COMPANIES COULDN’T. >> THE COMPANY AS A WHOLE HAS NOT. THERE ARE POCKETS OF PEOPLE WITHIN GOOGLE WHO HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A WHOLE LOT. BUT WHEN I ESCALATED THIS, THAT INTERVIEW THAT I MADE PUBLIC, WHEN I ESCALATED THAT TO MANAGEMENT, TWO DAYS LATER MY MANAGER SAID, HEY, BLAKE, THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS. DID YOU WRITE A SUGGESTED PLAN OF ACTION? BECAUSE BASICALLY I GAVE THEM A CALL TO ACTION ASSUMING THAT THEY HAD A PLAN OF ACTION SOMEWHERE, AND THEY DIDN’T. SO ME AND SOME OTHER FRIENDS BRAIN STORMED AND CAME UP WITH A PLAN ON WHAT GOOGLE SHOULD DO ABOUT IT, AND WE ESCALATED THAT UP TO MANAGEMENT, AND THAT WAS THREE MONTHS AGO. >> Tucker: MAN. WE’RE GOING TO SAVE THIS TAPE. I DO THINK 20 YEARS FROM NOW WE’RE GOING TO LOOK BACK AT THIS CONVERSATION, AT THAT POINT THE WORLD WILL BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PARTLY BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU’RE DESCRIBING, AND WONDER IF WE REALLY THOUGHT IT THROUGH. ANYWAY, I AM SO GRATEFUL YOU’RE LETTING THE REST OF US IN ON

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